JOHN; Today we have some questions from Teresa and her first question is... "Datre says that for an individual to be able to go out into the UNIVERSE with the total understanding of physicality as far as a body is concerned... is going to be very interesting, because in itself it will be a study of something very unique in universal understanding...."
"Why was not Ramtha and his body used to accomplish this? After all, he stated that he took his body with him upon his death. Does this mean that he didn't take his body directly into the big universe - if not where to, and where is his body now?"
DATRE; Now, the statement that was made, was 'the understanding of physicality and of the body' is what you will take with you. That does not negate what the Ram said. Who's going to take his information of his physicality away from him? He took that with him - the understanding of physicality and the understanding of the body. He has that with him.
Now, why didn't he take it out into the universe? Because, there is universal 'timing' involved in everything. He remains within this bubble until the time comes when changes are made. Now, just take a very simple analogy. You can not die whenever you want to die - so called. Why is that? Because, there has to be a 'timing'. There has to always be a maintained 'balance'. You've heard them speak of a 'window' opening. You will notice that there is a 'timing' - if you work in anything that is concerned with mortuaries, where they take in the bodies and prepare them for that which you call the death, you will find that there will be 'spaces' where there will be no one. And then there will be several people, individuals, but several within a short span, like in two or three weeks there will be a lot of individuals. And then there will be a blank space again. They're very familiar with that 'timing'.
You will notice that there are times when, within a couple of weeks, you will have major disasters that will take large numbers of people. Now before these 'disasters' the approximate number of people leaving will have been measured, not by physical bodies, but by vibrational qualities. At the same time the vibrational qualities of those replacements coming onto the planet will have also been measured. The birth of these individuals will have taken place prior to the 'disaster'. The reason for this is to allow those that are being 'birthed' to begin their development. The vibrational quality of the indwelling 'you' varies significantly. Thousands may leave their physical bodies and only a few hundred may be 'birthed'. In having these changes take place in this manner a more evolved MASS CONSCIOUSNESS results.
You see you're still working from a psychological stand point, but you're still working with an energy construct. And you have an orchestration here on your planet, just as you do in the universe, just as you do every place else. Because, it's ALL energy. And its 'how' you manipulate energy. Not 'you' as an individual, but you as a collective. Because, although you may have an enemy... one country has an enemy and is an enemy to another country - the two countries are enemies - but its a 'cooperative' effort. And you don't look at it from that stand point.
You'll say, 'well they're fighting and killing each other all the time'. But its still, at another level of understanding... is the only words I can think of to describe it. You know exactly what's going on and you're watching it. You see, physicality is very, very, interesting. Continue.
JOHN; And her next question is... "Also, Datre tells us that only Ramtha managed to get to the Big Universe, yet Ramtha maintained that several did so; for example Buddha and Jesus Christ. The theories of Datre and Ramtha are different, yet we are told that they are both from the Big Universe."
DATRE; I think there's something wrong there. I don't think that Datre ever said that the Ram was from the Big Universe. The Ram has not left this planetary bubble. Everyone that was on this planet at the origination of the planet, still maintains a psychological construct here - in one form or another. Continue.
JOHN; She continues and asks... "Does this mean that they - like us in physicality - also have individual perceptions/understanding/knowledge? Example, Ramtha was insistent that he was able to help individuals and made many promises, such as "I will help you". Yet Datre is equally insistent that each individual is responsible for their own evolution and their lives whilst in physicality."
DATRE; Well, that is all true. But you must realize that the Ram is not from the Big Universe. Now, there again, you must remember, the Ram had a physical existence. He is used to a physical construct. And if he has made the statement - 'I will help you' - then, what he is saying is 'I will help you'. But, its your 'belief' system that's going to make it work. If you think that the Ram can come and tell you something that will help you, and you believe it - that is your 'belief'. If you believe that Datre can give you information that will help you - then that is your 'belief'. And that is alright.
Now, because Ramtha has had 'one' physical existence and has learned everything he wanted to know from that physical existence, he has 'one' perspective of physicality. Alright, now, there are those in Datre - the Ram included, and Seth included - in Datre. There are also those that are 'not' of this planetary existence that are part of Datre. Now, they're all different expressions, thought patterns, how they perceive. Now, this channel 'feels' the difference. When someone that has had a planetary existence, such as Ramtha and Seth, come into this physical construct, the body feels entirely different than those that come in that have never had physical existence. That are, shall we say, outside looking in and how they perceive this whole physical construct is so entirely different in the perception that it is not even comparable.
That is a hard thing to explain. Datre has been quoted as being very 'flat' lined - no emotion. How could one who has never had physicality have emotion? Its foreign. The fact that they are able, have learned 'how' to manipulate the voice box, the tongue, the mouth, of this physical construct to bring forth the information is one thing. But, many of them can't move the body. Not even to move a finger. Not to see through the eyes. They work with it in an entirely different way.
So, to say that Datre and the Ram are different. If the Ram isn't in, of course it will be different. If Seth isn't in, of course it will be different. The Ram and Seth are entirely different. The body knows immediately which is which.
You see, its a physical construct that has been changed to accommodate all these different vibrations. It is uniquely different. We've never had this opportunity before. So, you're going to get differences all the time. But, you look at when that which is called the Ram lived and what his experiential lifetime would be like, and then you look at the 'time' that Seth lived in and his experiential lifetime would be entirely different. But, as they begin to know themselves, and know 'who' they were, and what physicality is all about - at that point, the separation becomes less. Because, they're looking at physicality from a different stand point. That's where the difference comes in. That's where the difference comes in in physical existence.
If you switch in and out, in a physical existence, from that which you 'know' that you are, and that which is the physical, bodily, mind functioning, its entirely different. And so, this is one of the things that happens, as you begin to gain your understanding. You will look entirely differently at the same thing.
You see what happens is, when you had the Ram here with you, and when you had Seth here with you, you try and keep them exactly the same as they were when they were here. Remember, this is not like heaven where you sit around and do nothing. How boring to never have anything left to learn. But you must remember, that the Seth that was here and the Seth that exists in what you would call 'today', is not the same. The Ram that was here in his existence is not the same as the Ram of today. Wanting to 'know' is the only thing there is - period.
Now, you think of the time span - what you call time span - actually a 'time span' is nothing more than a 'learning' span. And when you look at it that way, when you compare a physical existence, your learning 'span' is exceedingly small. But, you're not the same person you were 5 years ago - if you are making any progress at all in your understanding of physicality. You are 'not' the same. You don't think the same. Now, why do you expect them to be the same as they were? They are not - nor are you. Allow, push the boundaries a little bit. Open your selves up to the possibilities. Realize, yes the vibration of the Seth material and the Ramtha material is still here - where does a vibration go? It stays within the bubble. That's it. That's what creates. That's what you use as your stepladder to learn. But, nothing stays the same - it can not.
So, if you're bringing through the information - its not going to be the same. Especially not with Datre. But one does not negate the other. Continue.
JOHN; And her next question is... "What of the millions of people who suffer from Alzheimer's disease whose thought patterns are jumbled to such a degree that they depend for their very survival on others?"
DATRE; Now, you must remember, Alzheimer's is a disease of the physical construct. That does not have anything to do with 'you'. You are working 'with' the physical construct for experience.
What happens in these patients - as they call them - that have Alzheimer's is that they do loose the 'continuity' of physicality as far as the physical construct is concerned. What happens is, the indwelling 'you' - that portion of 'you' in physicality - is checking out the dead zone and checking out other possibilities and probabilities. Checking out other possibilities, looking this over and looking that over and then come back into the body and is totally confused. That happens to a lot of people. The only thing is, that they are using that as an 'experience' patterning. In a psychological construct you're always learning in whatever direction you wish to go - what is going to be the greatest 'impact' for 'your' learning.
Granted, Alzheimer's is one that is very difficult, not for the one that has it, but for those that are trying to take care of that one. There are many things coming up on your horizon, shall we say, that you as the MASS CONSCIOUSNESS on your planet are working with and toward. And some of these things, like Alzheimer's, those athlete's that have spinal injuries, all of these different things that are being worked with on your planet, its a MASS CONSCIOUSNESS desire to improve physicality, and to learn about physicality. All of these thing are fascinating to those in the physical constructs. And as they become more proficient in their learning, in whatever area they wish to learn in, then you will see changes taking place on your planet. You're all working together but also working on your separate evolution and you're alone. Continue.
JOHN; And her final question is... "Where does that leave them in terms of their evolutionary progress?"
DATRE; It leaves them no different than it leaves you in what you're gaining from your experiences. What are you learning from it? If they're not learning anything from it, then its no different than any of the rest of you in physicality.
If you're playing the part of being a victim, then you're not learning anything. But, if you're looking at the situation as a learning experience, then a great deal can be learned. You see, one of the things that could be learned, by an Alzheimer's patient, that probably couldn't be learned any other way because of fear, is they learn how easy it is to slip in and out of the body. You see, that is one of the things that you fear is leaving the body. Because, you think you're your body - but you're not. But an Alzheimer's patient can learn a great deal from that experience, by realizing - 'I don't have to stay in the body, I have freedom to get out of it. Then leave it and come back into it - and the body still is working - 'okay, I'll stay in it a while. I'm so confused now because of where I've been I don't know where I am now'.
And there's their confusion. Because the more you go in and out of the body, like they do, then they don't know where they are. And besides that, could care less. They're more unhappy, waiting for this physical construct that they have put together, to say, 'I've had enough'. They have to wait until the physical construct want's to go and there's an 'opening' to go through. Then you see, there's a lot of individuals that also will use Alzheimer's to get what they want. You see, you don't know what is in the thought patterns of another individual. Maybe that individual say's, 'you know I've had just about enough of this physicality, and the body is in such good shape I don't know how in the world I'm ever going to get out of here and I don't want to commit suicide and I sick and tired of the situation I'm in, let somebody else take care of the body for a while'. Have you ever thought of that one?
You see, don't limit yourself by what you see. Now, there may be somebody else that has Alzheimer's that's trying to figure out something. What is this thing called death? What's it all about, what's it like? What's it like in the dead zone? And in wanting to 'know', the deep down desire of wanting to know what the dead zone is like before you ever go there, will begin to leave the body and make excursions into the dead zone to find out what its all about. But, in coming and going, the confusion gets to the point that they can't explain it - even to themselves.
But, look at all these different things for every different situation. There are many, many different avenues of experience out of just one given instance. That is why we say, 'open yourselves up'. Think of the possibilities and probabilities of every single thing. That doesn't mean that you can't live a physical life. They'll say, 'well I can't be walking around just observing, I've got a job, I've got a family, I've got...'. Of course you have. That is where the interest comes in. But, you don't have to stop what you're doing to OBSERVE what you're doing. If you have to stop to observe what you're doing, you've missed the point. You're back into meditation. In other words, 'I can't get to where I want to go unless I meditate'. But, where are you going and what are you doing when you're coming back? Except wanting to go back into meditation again. Because its so peaceful. It's so wonderful. And I see so many wonderful things.
You see, you're trying to get away from the physical. Detach yourself. Out there is much better than in here. No, it isn't because, the enjoyment, the excitement, the emotional body has no part when you take off and go into meditation. So the physical body sits here and waits for you to come back. You'll say, 'oh, my life is so hum drum'. And the body is saying, 'boy, look at the excitement we're having'. Okay? I'm not being flippant, I'm being very realistic. That's why we say, 'you have to get into the body in order to get out of it'. Next question?
JOHN; That was the last one.
DATRE; We thank you, we're Datre.